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Also in contrast that Plato felt that you had to give up certain freedoms in order to create this just society such as right to property. This of course would be argued against by many Philosophers to come such as Locke who saw this as an absolute right of the individual. So with Plato, to limit the Id was good and would help an individual to live justly so long as they sought good and fulfilled their Telos within the polis; and these together provided justice and morality.
             More pragmatic than Plato was Aristotle who sought to expand on Plato's idealistic thoughts. He sought to use reason to deduce what virtue was. He differed also from Plato in that he felt that it was in self interest that man would fulfill his Telos. This was done independently from the polis. Further, since Plato's ideal sate could not exist and would become corrupted; Aristotle created the paradigm of the "Natural Order." This contained the one, the few, and the many. This concept would be adopted by many philosophers to come which says a lot about its credence. He believed that this order contained in a representative government would provide checks and balances and conflict without violence. These checks and balances would insure that no one group could gain a monopoly of violence to repress or overthrow in revolution. His pragmatic approach allowed for the freedoms that were taken away in Plato's ideal state. His concept of representative government would of course play out over history to include the Roman government and variations of today's International States. Aristotle also believed that virtue could reasoned by everyone and that if they lived within the "golden mean" between "deficit" and "excess" than one was good and virtuous. It must also be noted that the Greek and Roman era it was widely believed that man was inherently good and this differs from the Christian era in which it was more widely believed that man had a tendency for evil and contained "original sin.


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